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Residency: Notes from Class

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I’m clueless and I had no clue just how clueless I was until I showed up here in Louisville to listen to those who do have a clue talk about… their clues. I can’t even begin to describe to you how my cluelessness has been reinforced in my mind in the last 3 days as I’ve listened to some really great speakers giving lectures on really great things.

Today as I was sitting in class I put down pen and paper and fired up my trusty MacBook Pro. I can type much faster than I can write. Another benefit of taking notes on my computer is that later I’ll actually be able to read what I’ve written. For each lecture, I took notes in a program called Journler. I chose to use it instead of Word because I like the layout a bit better for note taking, and I can have multiple tabs opened. I had a tab open for notes on every lecture, and in a separate tab I took notes that I’ve titled Random Thoughts: Londen Institute Residency. The Random Thoughts tab is just that: random thoughts of things I want to remember so that I can write about them later for you, my constant readers.

Here are my Random Thoughts for today:

  • Today any doubts I may have had about the Londen Institute are completely gone. This is a great program. The speakers are actively involved, highly educated, and highly successful. They bring in relevant, current information to prepare church leaders.
  • Many of those in attendance are already working in churches. Some of them are Pastors, even lead Pastors. Others are church Elders. Still others work in young adult or children’s ministries. This school seems to focus on practical, applicable information.
  • When Todd Wilson mentioned that many of the older, (almost) dying churches are coming to his group asking if they can be satellites of new churches I was intrigued. That’s a really good idea, in my opinion. It kind of reminds me of what LifeChurch.tv is doing.
  • Greg Malcom, a fellow classmate and Elder in his church, took the time to explain to me know that many modern churches fall right in the middle of being conservative or liberal, and take a more realistic viewpoint… they are more “with the times”. Those types of churches are really the ones that are growing today. Lots of independent churches fall into this category.
  • 18,000 people supporting a multi million dollar site like Southeast blows my mind.
  • Remember last night’s message about taking a risk. Particularly the “creating a story” story. That was a really good illustration. Be sure to tell W. about that one.
  • Note to self: buy Out of the Saltshaker by Becky Pippert (Becky is one of those who lectured today – the rest of my bulleted notes are things I wrote down while she was lecturing).
  • Jesus was so upset with religious hypocrisy that he threw furniture down the stairs. He isn’t the type of guy who would walk away from someone struggling with a sex disorder, rage, screwed up lives, etc.
  • The “religious” hated him, but prostitutes and lepers were crazy about him! The chief complaint about Jesus was that he was NOT religious enough! The world needs to know what he’s like! Pick out Bible passages that show these parts, and read them with “seeker” friends.
  • Be real. Develop a style of witnessing consistent with your personality. “I want to talk to you about the Bible, but I’m afraid of how you’ll react”. You don’t have to be someone else for God to use you.

I’m not up to date on the “who’s who” of modern Christian culture, but I’ve been told I should be impressed by our list of speakers. I think going into this seminar with no prior knowledge of the accomplishments of our speakers has made me better able to “judge” their lectures based on content, rather than on the reputation of the lecturer. So far I’ve been really impressed! I’ll list some of the speakers: if you know them feel free to “ooo” and “ahhh”. If you’re like me and you have no clue who they are, just know that these people have really accomplished big things for God with their lives:

  • Dr. Ken Blanchard
  • Mike Emmert
  • Allie Harding
  • Pastor Buddy Howard
  • Pastor Ben Merold
  • Pastor Greg Nettle
  • Dr. Bob Pavelsky
  • Becky Pippert
  • Dr. Bob Russell
  • Pastor Dave Stone
  • Todd Wilson

One thing I really like about the Londen Institute is that they’re bringing people into these Residencies who are currently working very hard for God. These people bring relevant insights into what’s going on in their world as leaders of today’s churches. Practical advice is given. Practical knowledge is applied in small group settings, which allows a lot of interaction with the lecturers. There are 3 Residency events per year.

Once I return home I’ll have a series of back-to-back course assignments to complete, each of which last a minimum of 15 weeks and include a lot of reading and a lot of writing. It’s been awhile since I’ve been a college student but I’m looking forward to all of it.

I’ve never seen a church as large as the one hosting this Residency. Here are some stats for Southeast Christian Church:

  • 770,000 square foot main building
  • There are two other buildings (youth center and administration building) of 150,000 and 115,000 square feet
  • 18,000 members (1,500 nursery aged children alone)
  • The sanctuary seats 9,100
  • It cost $80 million for the land and the main building, took more than 3 years to build, and sits on 117 acres
  • It took more than an hour for us to take the tour
  • It has the 2nd largest kitchen in Kentucky (refrigerator is more than 40 feet wide) – 2 coffee machines turn out 10,000 cups of coffee an hour
  • More than 300 staff members
  • It was started in a basement with a handful of people

A few photos are in order (if you’d like to see several more click here – there’s a great coffee shop, children’s area, etc). This is the lobby… to put this photo into perspective let me tell you that the spot where I’m standing to those escalators on the other side is the length of a football field:

Southeast Christian Center

This sanctuary seats 9,100 people:

Southeast Christian Main Sanctuary

Click here for more photos

Days start at 7:30 am and go until around 9:30 pm. I’m pretty tired.

Off to bed I go, looking forward to tomorrow.

48 thoughts on “Residency: Notes from Class

  1. And what a HUGE waste of money. $80 million dollars could have gone towards something that could be actually USEFUL to the human race! Like a hospital, not a fucking tribute to a superficial god!

  2. And what a HUGE waste of money. $80 million dollars could have gone towards something that could be actually USEFUL to the human race! Like a hospital, not a fucking tribute to a superficial god!

  3. what an experience you are having donny. Soak in all in. you’ll blink and it will be over!

  4. what an experience you are having donny. Soak in all in. you’ll blink and it will be over!

  5. Hey Donny,

    Forget what Furyan says. My wife & I went to Bible College at World Harvest in Columbus, OH & it is as big, if not bigger than this facility. We should count it a blessing that church is able to have this type of finances to provide ministries & service to others. Keep us informed on how its going. We will pray for you.

  6. Hey Donny,

    Forget what Furyan says. My wife & I went to Bible College at World Harvest in Columbus, OH & it is as big, if not bigger than this facility. We should count it a blessing that church is able to have this type of finances to provide ministries & service to others. Keep us informed on how its going. We will pray for you.

  7. “Jesus was so upset with religious hypocrisy that he threw furniture down the stairs. He isn’t the type of guy who would walk away from someone struggling with a sex disorder, rage, screwed up lives, etc.”I wonder what my Jesus would think of an $80 million dollar church.

    If He were flesh and blood, would they give Him weird looks when He walked in for being stinky and scraggly?

    Those pictures made me incredibly heavy-hearted.

  8. “Jesus was so upset with religious hypocrisy that he threw furniture down the stairs. He isn’t the type of guy who would walk away from someone struggling with a sex disorder, rage, screwed up lives, etc.”I wonder what my Jesus would think of an $80 million dollar church.

    If He were flesh and blood, would they give Him weird looks when He walked in for being stinky and scraggly?

    Those pictures made me incredibly heavy-hearted.

  9. Awesome to see where you have come from Donny

  10. Awesome to see where you have come from Donny

  11. I have to agree with Furyan… maybe not necessarily for the same reasons, but $80 million could go to build a lot of hospitals in Africa and feed a lot of starving people around the world… something I personally feel that Jesus would rather us be doing with money than building unnecessarily large churches with fancy technology and rockstar music teams. But unfortunately, even us christians are guilty of liking shiny pretty things.

  12. I have to agree with Furyan… maybe not necessarily for the same reasons, but $80 million could go to build a lot of hospitals in Africa and feed a lot of starving people around the world… something I personally feel that Jesus would rather us be doing with money than building unnecessarily large churches with fancy technology and rockstar music teams. But unfortunately, even us christians are guilty of liking shiny pretty things.

  13. Interesting how so many jump to criticize the building instead of support Donny.

    How do any of you know that the building is not being used to support ministries that support the poor?

    Maybe house the homeless, fatherless, and the widow.

    What sort of cost would you put on that?

    What if it takes a really big building so that people can “go therefore” and hence fulfill Jesus’ command from the Sermon on the Mount?

    And let’s take a look at your finances. Are YOU using all your money to most effectively serve the poor?

    And then there’s this from Mark 14:3-10. Somehow, Judas’ betrayal of Jesus is connected to the harsh criticism of the woman.

    … there came a woman with an alabaster vial of very costly perfume of pure nard; and she broke the vial and poured it over His head.
    4 But some were indignantly remarking to one another, “Why has this perfume been wasted?
    5 “For this perfume might have been sold for over three hundred denarii, and the money given to the poor.” And they were scolding her.
    6 But Jesus said, “Let her alone; why do you bother her? She has done a good deed to Me.
    7 “For you always have the poor with you, and whenever you wish you can do good to them; but you do not always have Me.
    8 “She has done what she could; she has anointed My body beforehand for the burial.
    9 “Truly I say to you, wherever the gospel is preached in the whole world, what this woman has done will also be spoken of in memory of her.”
    10 Then Judas Iscariot, who was one of the twelve, went off to the chief priests in order to betray Him to them.

  14. Interesting how so many jump to criticize the building instead of support Donny.

    How do any of you know that the building is not being used to support ministries that support the poor?

    Maybe house the homeless, fatherless, and the widow.

    What sort of cost would you put on that?

    What if it takes a really big building so that people can “go therefore” and hence fulfill Jesus’ command from the Sermon on the Mount?

    And let’s take a look at your finances. Are YOU using all your money to most effectively serve the poor?

    And then there’s this from Mark 14:3-10. Somehow, Judas’ betrayal of Jesus is connected to the harsh criticism of the woman.

    … there came a woman with an alabaster vial of very costly perfume of pure nard; and she broke the vial and poured it over His head.
    4 But some were indignantly remarking to one another, “Why has this perfume been wasted?
    5 “For this perfume might have been sold for over three hundred denarii, and the money given to the poor.” And they were scolding her.
    6 But Jesus said, “Let her alone; why do you bother her? She has done a good deed to Me.
    7 “For you always have the poor with you, and whenever you wish you can do good to them; but you do not always have Me.
    8 “She has done what she could; she has anointed My body beforehand for the burial.
    9 “Truly I say to you, wherever the gospel is preached in the whole world, what this woman has done will also be spoken of in memory of her.”
    10 Then Judas Iscariot, who was one of the twelve, went off to the chief priests in order to betray Him to them.

  15. You’re in a place that I wouldn’t be entirely comfortable to be in, Donny. I can only praise God for that, that he made us all different to do different stuff in different places. And the coolest part is that you are going into those places, not for your own gain but because Christ would be honored through it.

    There’s a church like that here, that holds 15,000 people at a time. We have a few different names for it: “Fort God,” “Six Flags Over Jesus,” “The Triple-T Ranch” (for the three 100-foot-tall crosses in front of it) and I do have a bit of resentment toward it. But the resentment comes from the people involved in the church, not the building itself. It’s that I see the building and see just how much God can do through his people if they’d let him. But instead of seeing the church as a venue for blessing to flow, as a place where those blessings can be strategically focused to honor Christ, they see it as the end result of the blessing and think that it’s their treasure, that it’s there to honor themselves.

    Christ is the head of the church and the church is the body of Christ. Everything about my body is made to DO, is made for action. It’s not made to just sit and let life happen around it. And so, when I see a church like that, who makes waves for its controversies within instead of its outreach, I unnecessarily take it out on the building.

    But that’s the cool part, I think, for you Donny! You’re going into these venues in an effort to use them, to have blessings flow THROUGH them, not just into them. And that’s awesome!

  16. You’re in a place that I wouldn’t be entirely comfortable to be in, Donny. I can only praise God for that, that he made us all different to do different stuff in different places. And the coolest part is that you are going into those places, not for your own gain but because Christ would be honored through it.

    There’s a church like that here, that holds 15,000 people at a time. We have a few different names for it: “Fort God,” “Six Flags Over Jesus,” “The Triple-T Ranch” (for the three 100-foot-tall crosses in front of it) and I do have a bit of resentment toward it. But the resentment comes from the people involved in the church, not the building itself. It’s that I see the building and see just how much God can do through his people if they’d let him. But instead of seeing the church as a venue for blessing to flow, as a place where those blessings can be strategically focused to honor Christ, they see it as the end result of the blessing and think that it’s their treasure, that it’s there to honor themselves.

    Christ is the head of the church and the church is the body of Christ. Everything about my body is made to DO, is made for action. It’s not made to just sit and let life happen around it. And so, when I see a church like that, who makes waves for its controversies within instead of its outreach, I unnecessarily take it out on the building.

    But that’s the cool part, I think, for you Donny! You’re going into these venues in an effort to use them, to have blessings flow THROUGH them, not just into them. And that’s awesome!

  17. Donny, I know that church. It’s great! The pastor there, Bob Russell, is a great man of God. He’s the real deal! God has simply blessed that church. They do some great things around the world and in their community. Man, I’m so excited for you, praying for you, and just happy to see where God is taking you. Keep us informed and what we need to be praying for.

    Pastor Steve

  18. Donny, I know that church. It’s great! The pastor there, Bob Russell, is a great man of God. He’s the real deal! God has simply blessed that church. They do some great things around the world and in their community. Man, I’m so excited for you, praying for you, and just happy to see where God is taking you. Keep us informed and what we need to be praying for.

    Pastor Steve

  19. “Jesus was so upset with religious hypocrisy that he threw furniture down the stairs. He isn’t the type of guy who would walk away from someone struggling with a sex disorder, rage, screwed up lives, etc.

    The “religious” hated him, but prostitutes and lepers were crazy about him! The chief complaint about Jesus was that he was NOT religious enough!”

    What part of the bible is this from? Or is there some long forgotten text that powerful people didn’t want us to read because it suggested that Jesus “the son of God” lived as a human and loved as a human?

  20. “Jesus was so upset with religious hypocrisy that he threw furniture down the stairs. He isn’t the type of guy who would walk away from someone struggling with a sex disorder, rage, screwed up lives, etc.

    The “religious” hated him, but prostitutes and lepers were crazy about him! The chief complaint about Jesus was that he was NOT religious enough!”

    What part of the bible is this from? Or is there some long forgotten text that powerful people didn’t want us to read because it suggested that Jesus “the son of God” lived as a human and loved as a human?

  21. Wowser. Have an awesome time. Praying for you.

    Barb

  22. Wowser. Have an awesome time. Praying for you.

    Barb

  23. Donny,

    Congrats on this chapter of your life. it is truly a blessing to see what God is doing with your life (and what you’re allowing him to do)…you are going to be able to reach those that few others can…truly amazing

    To furyan and the rest of those critical of an 80 million dollar church…..please reexamine the financial costs of your church…an 80 million dollar church with 18000 members is roughly $4444 per member….my old church appraised for 1.5 million and had about 300 members, or $5000 per member…

    before we criticise these magachurches, let’s please examine how they are stewards of their resources (the host church for this residency is obviously a very good steward of resources) and the real economics of their situation (rather than just seeing a large dollar figure)…

  24. Donny,

    Congrats on this chapter of your life. it is truly a blessing to see what God is doing with your life (and what you’re allowing him to do)…you are going to be able to reach those that few others can…truly amazing

    To furyan and the rest of those critical of an 80 million dollar church…..please reexamine the financial costs of your church…an 80 million dollar church with 18000 members is roughly $4444 per member….my old church appraised for 1.5 million and had about 300 members, or $5000 per member…

    before we criticise these magachurches, let’s please examine how they are stewards of their resources (the host church for this residency is obviously a very good steward of resources) and the real economics of their situation (rather than just seeing a large dollar figure)…

  25. David … bingo.

  26. David … bingo.

  27. i guess the church isn’t the building. but nice building though. wonder if church comes alive in such a building?

    might answer that?

  28. i guess the church isn’t the building. but nice building though. wonder if church comes alive in such a building?

    might answer that?

  29. This thread looks like it could go into a “small church versus large church” discussion based off of most everyone’s preference, but here’s my two cents. God is using me and blessing me currently in what I would call a “Corporate” church. We have only a tenth of the membership (thereabouts) of Southeast, but we have three services on Sundays: two “traditional” and one “contemporary” which I take part in. As we get more and more transient in our jobs and such, the Traditional “community” churches as we knew them are being replaced by big “monster churches”. It may be that they are just easier to find. I hate to put it this way, but it kind of parallels our “big box” mentality in the warehouse stores we shop in today. But as dismissive as that sounds, I believe that God comes to us where we are. There are congregations for all who seek God, and if it takes a big church to get someone in the door—then great!
    From a monetary standpoint, that “high-dollar” facility built under the Field of Dreams concept of “If you build it, they will come”, can potentially pull in loads more money to do more good than if you just gave the 80 million dollars to someone to build a hospital. It’s an investment in the Kingdom for the good of all those (church member and non-church member) living here.
    Mark Twain was noted to have said that, “the main problem with the human races is…. well, the human race.” With all of the hate and ignorance and people without direction in their lives, the best thing we can do is try to expose them to the One who can transform their lives and heal their souls. That is our best “investment” in the Kingdom.
    Everybody hates to talk about religion and money, so I’ll talk about stewardship. This world and everything in it was not created for us. Even most simply, if you subscribe to “evolution”, relative to everything else (from the goo to the zoo to you), we were the last ones here. The world is not ours and neither is anything in it.
    God made us stewards of this world. While we have been placed in charge of it, it does not belong to us. When we give of time, talents, and yes, money, we are merely giving God back only SOME of what He has given us. So don’t worry, a church of 18,000 members who have some basic understanding of these things can easily support the building AND do considerably more of work for the betterment of mankind than just a flat donation, in Christ’s name of course.
    To boyz – Corporate churches aren’t for everybody, but yes, when the Church is founded in the scriptures and abides in the Holy Spirit, then the church will be alive. Ever been to a concert? Imagine every Sunday, going to “The Concert of the Age where the Son of Man takes center stage and a generation stands amazed” (Phillips, Craig, and Dean). There is something wonderful in seeing all of those people worshiping together in one accord. A dress rehearsal, if you will, for the Second Coming of Christ.
    The connectivity to those who worshiped in the same way before you (the church of my father’s father) is also a SOLID point in favor of the more traditional size and style. I REALLY relate to that as well, as sometimes, I desperately miss my old country church family, but right now I know the Spirit is moving within me and through me at my “larger church”, so I work where I am called.
    In my larger church, other things must be done to achieve the level of intimacy that people experience in smaller “traditional” churches via dinner groups, Sunday school, Bible studies, and other programs that can break down the whole into smaller, more intimate groups.
    Either way- a church that is full of the Holy Spirit, bearing fruit, and carrying out the great commission, will be growing. Whether there are additions to the current location or all new locations built, there will be growth that reflests the Holy Spirit working in that Church. Congregations have to figure out all the hows and whys and what-fors according to the direction that the Spirit leads them to go. Not every Christian is the same in his/ her ways of coming to God. Those who are truly seeking God will find Him where they look. That may be in a building, big or small, or maybe out in the middle of a field, or in someone’s basement. Wherever two or more are gathered in His name, there He will be also.
    Grace, Peace, and Love in Christ,
    Kevin

  30. This thread looks like it could go into a “small church versus large church” discussion based off of most everyone’s preference, but here’s my two cents. God is using me and blessing me currently in what I would call a “Corporate” church. We have only a tenth of the membership (thereabouts) of Southeast, but we have three services on Sundays: two “traditional” and one “contemporary” which I take part in. As we get more and more transient in our jobs and such, the Traditional “community” churches as we knew them are being replaced by big “monster churches”. It may be that they are just easier to find. I hate to put it this way, but it kind of parallels our “big box” mentality in the warehouse stores we shop in today. But as dismissive as that sounds, I believe that God comes to us where we are. There are congregations for all who seek God, and if it takes a big church to get someone in the door—then great!
    From a monetary standpoint, that “high-dollar” facility built under the Field of Dreams concept of “If you build it, they will come”, can potentially pull in loads more money to do more good than if you just gave the 80 million dollars to someone to build a hospital. It’s an investment in the Kingdom for the good of all those (church member and non-church member) living here.
    Mark Twain was noted to have said that, “the main problem with the human races is…. well, the human race.” With all of the hate and ignorance and people without direction in their lives, the best thing we can do is try to expose them to the One who can transform their lives and heal their souls. That is our best “investment” in the Kingdom.
    Everybody hates to talk about religion and money, so I’ll talk about stewardship. This world and everything in it was not created for us. Even most simply, if you subscribe to “evolution”, relative to everything else (from the goo to the zoo to you), we were the last ones here. The world is not ours and neither is anything in it.
    God made us stewards of this world. While we have been placed in charge of it, it does not belong to us. When we give of time, talents, and yes, money, we are merely giving God back only SOME of what He has given us. So don’t worry, a church of 18,000 members who have some basic understanding of these things can easily support the building AND do considerably more of work for the betterment of mankind than just a flat donation, in Christ’s name of course.
    To boyz – Corporate churches aren’t for everybody, but yes, when the Church is founded in the scriptures and abides in the Holy Spirit, then the church will be alive. Ever been to a concert? Imagine every Sunday, going to “The Concert of the Age where the Son of Man takes center stage and a generation stands amazed” (Phillips, Craig, and Dean). There is something wonderful in seeing all of those people worshiping together in one accord. A dress rehearsal, if you will, for the Second Coming of Christ.
    The connectivity to those who worshiped in the same way before you (the church of my father’s father) is also a SOLID point in favor of the more traditional size and style. I REALLY relate to that as well, as sometimes, I desperately miss my old country church family, but right now I know the Spirit is moving within me and through me at my “larger church”, so I work where I am called.
    In my larger church, other things must be done to achieve the level of intimacy that people experience in smaller “traditional” churches via dinner groups, Sunday school, Bible studies, and other programs that can break down the whole into smaller, more intimate groups.
    Either way- a church that is full of the Holy Spirit, bearing fruit, and carrying out the great commission, will be growing. Whether there are additions to the current location or all new locations built, there will be growth that reflests the Holy Spirit working in that Church. Congregations have to figure out all the hows and whys and what-fors according to the direction that the Spirit leads them to go. Not every Christian is the same in his/ her ways of coming to God. Those who are truly seeking God will find Him where they look. That may be in a building, big or small, or maybe out in the middle of a field, or in someone’s basement. Wherever two or more are gathered in His name, there He will be also.
    Grace, Peace, and Love in Christ,
    Kevin

  31. Missed something in spell check, “…there will be growth that REFLECTS the Holy Spirit….” oops 😉

  32. Missed something in spell check, “…there will be growth that REFLECTS the Holy Spirit….” oops 😉

  33. Check out http://www.light-work.com. In the October 24th blog, it tackles how the church can have a greater impact in the world today, big and small.

  34. Check out http://www.light-work.com. In the October 24th blog, it tackles how the church can have a greater impact in the world today, big and small.

  35. hey donnt, I just wantto say that I am so proud of you for going after God in whatever capacity he asks of you… big church or Starbucks, you show up for His sake, for His gory, and there’s nothing I admire more in another Christian than that kind of dedication. Kudos to you, my friend!

  36. hey donnt, I just wantto say that I am so proud of you for going after God in whatever capacity he asks of you… big church or Starbucks, you show up for His sake, for His gory, and there’s nothing I admire more in another Christian than that kind of dedication. Kudos to you, my friend!

  37. Wow…a lot of animosity towards a building.

    Here’s what I know…people gave all their money back in the Bible to build super-huge temples that only priests could go into. A church is a place where a ton of people can connect with God. To me, it makes more sense for that to be nicer.

    Anyway…that’s my two cents.

    Go get ’em Donny. Don’t worry about us Christians…you’re not doing what you’re doing for us.

    Oh, and I’m curious about that place. I mean, I’ve never heard of it; but the idea of a seminary that offers most of its classes on the net appeals to a guy like me too. Anyway, how did you hear about it?

  38. Wow…a lot of animosity towards a building.

    Here’s what I know…people gave all their money back in the Bible to build super-huge temples that only priests could go into. A church is a place where a ton of people can connect with God. To me, it makes more sense for that to be nicer.

    Anyway…that’s my two cents.

    Go get ’em Donny. Don’t worry about us Christians…you’re not doing what you’re doing for us.

    Oh, and I’m curious about that place. I mean, I’ve never heard of it; but the idea of a seminary that offers most of its classes on the net appeals to a guy like me too. Anyway, how did you hear about it?

  39. Just another resource for us all Pure Life

  40. Just another resource for us all Pure Life

  41. that’s awesome that you’re doing the seminar at southeast. that’s my home chuch where i grew up. it’s grown a lot since i was there in late 90’s.

  42. that’s awesome that you’re doing the seminar at southeast. that’s my home chuch where i grew up. it’s grown a lot since i was there in late 90’s.

  43. i wish i could edit my post. i grew up going to several smaller southern baptist churches and it wasn’t until i was 17 and was invited by a friend to start going to southeast that i heard Christianity was more than following the rules, it was about a relationship with Christ. i was convicted that i needed more than just a “clean mouth and “clean actions.”

  44. i wish i could edit my post. i grew up going to several smaller southern baptist churches and it wasn’t until i was 17 and was invited by a friend to start going to southeast that i heard Christianity was more than following the rules, it was about a relationship with Christ. i was convicted that i needed more than just a “clean mouth and “clean actions.”

  45. I am glad that you had a good experience there but my family’s was much different. That church is about power not love. They subjugate women as they will not allow them to lead or teach in the presence of men (no female sun. school teachers, elders, deacons or “god forbid?” preachers!!!I guess well known author Becky Pippert is an exception. It is not a real place.

  46. I am glad that you had a good experience there but my family’s was much different. That church is about power not love. They subjugate women as they will not allow them to lead or teach in the presence of men (no female sun. school teachers, elders, deacons or “god forbid?” preachers!!!I guess well known author Becky Pippert is an exception. It is not a real place.

  47. I think Churches are stupid and useless to begin with unless they do provide food and shelter to the homeless, if not then they are indeed a waste of money.

    I am no christian and I am certainly not a believer. Do not mistake me for being one.

    And no I don’t need your prayers, if you want to get on your knees and pray do it for the children who go blind from the lack of vitamin A or the amputees, not for my lack of faith.

  48. I think Churches are stupid and useless to begin with unless they do provide food and shelter to the homeless, if not then they are indeed a waste of money.

    I am no christian and I am certainly not a believer. Do not mistake me for being one.

    And no I don’t need your prayers, if you want to get on your knees and pray do it for the children who go blind from the lack of vitamin A or the amputees, not for my lack of faith.

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