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Thoughts on Barack Obama and His Qualifications

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I enjoyed last night’s debate.  I like both candidates.  I believe both men have our nation’s best interests at heart, but have different plans on how we get to where we need to be.

However, both on this board and in private email conversations I’ve been asked about Barack Obama’s qualifications.  I’ve posted about most of this in comments, but decided to make a separate blog entry for it.  So here goes… a few thoughts on Barack Obama’s resume:

  • Some make fun of the whole “community organizer” thing, yet fail to mention that his days as a “community organizer” were in the late 80s. That’s not a bad place for a young 20-something year old man to start.
  • Obama’s undergraduate degree comes from Columbia University and his graduate degree from Harvard Law School. Ivy league, baby!
  • He taught Constitutional Law at the University of Chicago Law School for 12 years.
  • He worked for a 12-attorney law firm specializing in civil rights litigation and neighborhood economic development for 11 years.
  • Even from his 20s, Obama’s goal was to work in Politics. He’s been preparing for this job most of his life.
  • He was a state Senator for almost 8 years.
  • He has been a US Senator for almost 4 years now, where he’s held assignments on the Senate Committees for Foreign Relations, Environment and Public Works and Veterans’ Affairs.

As we all know, a President’s term is highly influenced by his advisers.  I think Ivy-League educated Professor Obama has the intelligence to put together a great team, and I am confident he will do a good job running this country.

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Another objection that has been raised by more than one reader goes something like this:  “Don’t be gullible! Sure, Obama talks well, but actions speak louder than words!  He’ll never do the things he’s saying he’ll do!”

If you’re of such opinions, yet voted for George W. Bush, I ask that you watch this video of our sitting President, consisting of his “words” that were spoken during the 2000 campaign vs. Al Gore (compare these “words” with his “actions” as President):

As John McCain has voted with this “Dubya” more than 90% of the time, why am I asked to take John at his word, but not to extend the same courtesy to Barack?

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Another subject frequently brought up when discussing Barack Obama is his former pastor, Jeremiah Wright.  As I wrote in a recent comment in regards to Mr. Wright’s sermons:

I can’t say that Jeremiah Wright’s message is all the unique. How many services have you attended over the years where Pastors have warned that God will damn America for this sin or that sin? Yet when Jeremiah Wright passionately says, “God Damn America!” we think he’s unpatriotic or, even worse, a threat to our country? I’ve never thought such things about the Pastors *I* heard preach similar messages.

When Pastor Wright compares some of the atrocities our own country has committed while discussing the horrors we experienced on September 11th, I’m not pushed out of shape simply because he more passionately says some of the same things other Pastors have said numerous times.  And I’m certainly not going to project his opinions on Barack Obama.  I’ve had conversations with a man who has attended Pastor Wright’s church and cannot recall hearing “inflammatory” sermons.  I’m sure they were the exception, rather than the rule, but those exceptions sure come in handy when we’re trying to lambast a candidate for attending a “radical” church, don’t they?

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As for Bill Ayres… Ayres was an angry hippie college student that got caught up in the emotions of the Sixties and went way too far.   I would never excuse his actions, but I can’t help but notice that he’s now a Distinguished Professor at the University of Chicago and a respected member of society.  He never went to jail for his crimes (what do you think of that?).  By the way, Barack Obama was only 8 years old when all the nasty stuff went down, yet he should be held in contempt for being acquainted with a fellow University of Chicago Professor?  Give me a break!

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And where are Obama’s detractors when it comes to John McCain’s involvement with Charles Keating?  If you’re going to sling mud about Barack, why ignore McCain’s short comings?  Heck, today there are news stories questioning McCain’s link to the Iran-Contra ordeal.  What about his cheating on and ultimately leaving the wife who waited for him to come back home from Vietnam?  Why go silent on such, yet so vocally scream about his opponent?

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The point is that there is always mud to sling.  It’s hypocritical to justify slinging it at one candidate, yet not being willing to look at the other with the same level of “objectivity”, don’t you think?  I think it’s absurd to justify one candidate’s shortcomings yet trumpet accusations against the other.  If yer gonna sling it, cover both sides with an equal amount of dirt.

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Who do you think won the debate last night?  I’m surprisingly picking Obama.  🙂  If you missed it, here it is in full:

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ADDED 10/9/08:  Down in the comments area you’ll notice a perfect example of the paragraph above where I wrote about slinging dirt only at one side.  What’s happening here brings to my mind all past elections sitting in conservative churches:  the Democratic candidate is the devil, and the Republican candidate is our only hope as a country.  I want to hear a person being just as vicious with both sides, and then I’ll open my mind to what they have to say.  One – sided attack fests just make me put up a wall and stop listening.

62 thoughts on “Thoughts on Barack Obama and His Qualifications

  1. Not that it has any bearing on his qualifications for the office, but McCain’s wife freely admits to having been the one who first had an affair, when he was in the P.o.W. camp, she thought he had died, and she met someone, when she found out he was alive, she broke things off. Anything either man is promising will not be known until all is said and done, but I can go on their voting records and statements they have personally made, and I do know Senator Obama has the MOST liberal voting record of any Senator on abortion issues, and he has made statements voicing his objection to both gun rights, and homeschool rights. Qualifications, education, they don’t mean much to me in a leader, honestly, I’m sure there are plenty of people who only graduated high school and have zero political experience that would make a better president than either candidate, but of the two main choices, I see no moral way anyone can vote for Obama based on his record on abortion, and as for the war, he voted the same way on the issue until it came to funding the troops, I find that morally inexcusable. My choice would have been Huckabee, but he’s gone, and McCain’s voting record is rungs above on the moral ladder.

  2. Not that it has any bearing on his qualifications for the office, but McCain’s wife freely admits to having been the one who first had an affair, when he was in the P.o.W. camp, she thought he had died, and she met someone, when she found out he was alive, she broke things off. Anything either man is promising will not be known until all is said and done, but I can go on their voting records and statements they have personally made, and I do know Senator Obama has the MOST liberal voting record of any Senator on abortion issues, and he has made statements voicing his objection to both gun rights, and homeschool rights. Qualifications, education, they don’t mean much to me in a leader, honestly, I’m sure there are plenty of people who only graduated high school and have zero political experience that would make a better president than either candidate, but of the two main choices, I see no moral way anyone can vote for Obama based on his record on abortion, and as for the war, he voted the same way on the issue until it came to funding the troops, I find that morally inexcusable. My choice would have been Huckabee, but he’s gone, and McCain’s voting record is rungs above on the moral ladder.

  3. Amy,

    My opinions on voting based on the abortion issue have been mentioned many times. Check out this post on the issue. The facts of the matter are that the President of the United States is not going to do anything about the issue, whether for or against it.

    As for “Obama has the most liberal voting record”… it basically boils down to this: he opposed GWBs policies more than any other. That is not a negative in my book. Voting in agreement with Bush more than 90% of the time IS.

    I’ve never heard about McCain’s wife having an affair first, and would love to see a source on that. But this article was interesting, as was this one, which discussed his relationship with the Reagan’s after the divorce.

    My point, however, was not to sling mud at McCain, but to state the opinion that critical analysis of both sides should be included by those wishing to do so.

  4. Amy,

    My opinions on voting based on the abortion issue have been mentioned many times. Check out this post on the issue. The facts of the matter are that the President of the United States is not going to do anything about the issue, whether for or against it.

    As for “Obama has the most liberal voting record”… it basically boils down to this: he opposed GWBs policies more than any other. That is not a negative in my book. Voting in agreement with Bush more than 90% of the time IS.

    I’ve never heard about McCain’s wife having an affair first, and would love to see a source on that. But this article was interesting, as was this one, which discussed his relationship with the Reagan’s after the divorce.

    My point, however, was not to sling mud at McCain, but to state the opinion that critical analysis of both sides should be included by those wishing to do so.

  5. First off, your attitude toward the unborn is essential in developing respect for human life and dignity at all stages of life. Secondly, I am not alone in feeling frustrated that McCain is being accused of mudslinging, politics is not about the two candidates coming out and patting each other on the back, they are supposed to bring out each others faults, and if you have access to the internet, you have no excuse for not looking into the facts behind the comments. Look into everything, including Obama’s “Christianity” , it is through Christ alone that we can ever have hope of eternal security, He is not just the proper path for Obama, but not for everyone, as Obama has directly stated, even on his political website and blog, if you do not believe that Christ is the only way to Heaven, there is no purpose in the sacrifice He made, why would God send him if there were another way, in fact, before His crucifixion, Christ cried out to the Father for another way, but acknowledged, that His will be done if there were no other way. You have people who take your word on this stuff and look up to you, you need to be more responsible in your “ramblings”. If you say that abortion will never be made illegal, you are limiting God’s power, there was a time when people would have found it laughable if someone said “we really should elect this Lincoln guy, he’s gonna put an end to slavery”. On the other hand, there was a time when people would have found it laughable if someone said “we really should do something to stop this Hitler guy, he’s gonna end up slaughtering millions of people”. Do not limit my God by a president’s power, if we, as a nation, would surrender to His will, and look to Him for guidance from where we’re at today, the right people could be elected to Congress, elected to Senate, and appointed to the Supreme Court that Roe vs. Wade could finally be realized as the fraud it is and easily overturned. Abortion was never given as a right in our Constitution, liberal Judges claimed to perceive it as an “implied” right, it is only a matter of having the right Judges perspective to turn this thing around. Our victory in foreign relations, our protection in war, and our economic blessings will never be determined by any man’s decision, these can only come from the Grace of God, God gives grace to the humble, not the arrogant who would destroy the very lives He has created.

  6. First off, your attitude toward the unborn is essential in developing respect for human life and dignity at all stages of life. Secondly, I am not alone in feeling frustrated that McCain is being accused of mudslinging, politics is not about the two candidates coming out and patting each other on the back, they are supposed to bring out each others faults, and if you have access to the internet, you have no excuse for not looking into the facts behind the comments. Look into everything, including Obama’s “Christianity” , it is through Christ alone that we can ever have hope of eternal security, He is not just the proper path for Obama, but not for everyone, as Obama has directly stated, even on his political website and blog, if you do not believe that Christ is the only way to Heaven, there is no purpose in the sacrifice He made, why would God send him if there were another way, in fact, before His crucifixion, Christ cried out to the Father for another way, but acknowledged, that His will be done if there were no other way. You have people who take your word on this stuff and look up to you, you need to be more responsible in your “ramblings”. If you say that abortion will never be made illegal, you are limiting God’s power, there was a time when people would have found it laughable if someone said “we really should elect this Lincoln guy, he’s gonna put an end to slavery”. On the other hand, there was a time when people would have found it laughable if someone said “we really should do something to stop this Hitler guy, he’s gonna end up slaughtering millions of people”. Do not limit my God by a president’s power, if we, as a nation, would surrender to His will, and look to Him for guidance from where we’re at today, the right people could be elected to Congress, elected to Senate, and appointed to the Supreme Court that Roe vs. Wade could finally be realized as the fraud it is and easily overturned. Abortion was never given as a right in our Constitution, liberal Judges claimed to perceive it as an “implied” right, it is only a matter of having the right Judges perspective to turn this thing around. Our victory in foreign relations, our protection in war, and our economic blessings will never be determined by any man’s decision, these can only come from the Grace of God, God gives grace to the humble, not the arrogant who would destroy the very lives He has created.

  7. Donny. If McCain voted with GWB 90% of the time it shows that he’s 10% open to the other side. Republicans tend to vote for republican policies even if they may not totally agree. That goes the same for Dems. You know this as well as I. Also GWB is NOT the worst pres in history. Instead of only looking at McCain’s voting record also look at his record at what legislation he has personally been a part of. Has he been active or does he just vote letting others draw things up. Obama has had no ideas of his own that he’s actually acted on. Obama is also not one that has ever worked with the other side. His cabinet will be purely liberal socialism. Congress and senate will be democrat controlled. It’s one thing to be a capitalist that is open to some socialistic ideas and having to vote for needful socialist legislature(the bailout) It’s way different to want a socialist society. I won’t get into that.
    All that said God is the one that turns the hearts of the leaders. Is it possible that God has a plan that involves Obama? As much as I come to not like the guy, I will vote on what I sense the Holy Spirit wants. It’s funny that Christians seem not to walk in the Spirit when it comes to this stuff. What does the spirit of God see? Both candidates are sinners sentenced to hell without the grace of God and the blood of Christ. A current prophet sent out emails to people who are part of his oikos. My friend forwarded that email to me. It stated that he had a word from God that this new administration would be somewhat of a common brown bag one. So being a stupid prophet he tried to interpret that early. I forget who he originally thought should be pres, but that went out quickly. The email I received stated that now he thinks thet the “brown bag” was Huckabee. He urged everyone to get on board. Idiot. If you get a word, state the word. Don’t interpret for everyone unless you really know. Anyway obviously that dork Huckabee didn’t make it. The funny thing is either one could be interpreted as brown bag. McCain/Palin(Palin beingthe “regular Joe McCain being the old bag) and Obama/Biden(Obama being brown and Biden being the old bag) HMMM

  8. Donny. If McCain voted with GWB 90% of the time it shows that he’s 10% open to the other side. Republicans tend to vote for republican policies even if they may not totally agree. That goes the same for Dems. You know this as well as I. Also GWB is NOT the worst pres in history. Instead of only looking at McCain’s voting record also look at his record at what legislation he has personally been a part of. Has he been active or does he just vote letting others draw things up. Obama has had no ideas of his own that he’s actually acted on. Obama is also not one that has ever worked with the other side. His cabinet will be purely liberal socialism. Congress and senate will be democrat controlled. It’s one thing to be a capitalist that is open to some socialistic ideas and having to vote for needful socialist legislature(the bailout) It’s way different to want a socialist society. I won’t get into that.
    All that said God is the one that turns the hearts of the leaders. Is it possible that God has a plan that involves Obama? As much as I come to not like the guy, I will vote on what I sense the Holy Spirit wants. It’s funny that Christians seem not to walk in the Spirit when it comes to this stuff. What does the spirit of God see? Both candidates are sinners sentenced to hell without the grace of God and the blood of Christ. A current prophet sent out emails to people who are part of his oikos. My friend forwarded that email to me. It stated that he had a word from God that this new administration would be somewhat of a common brown bag one. So being a stupid prophet he tried to interpret that early. I forget who he originally thought should be pres, but that went out quickly. The email I received stated that now he thinks thet the “brown bag” was Huckabee. He urged everyone to get on board. Idiot. If you get a word, state the word. Don’t interpret for everyone unless you really know. Anyway obviously that dork Huckabee didn’t make it. The funny thing is either one could be interpreted as brown bag. McCain/Palin(Palin beingthe “regular Joe McCain being the old bag) and Obama/Biden(Obama being brown and Biden being the old bag) HMMM

  9. So if they are both so great and concerned with our country and will equally be advised by great thinkers than we shouldn’t get to far off track. Especially with congress working on oversite like it oughtta.

    But for me one thing sticks out like a sore thumb and is enough to influence my vote. Obama has pledged to sign into law a piece of legislation Planned Parenthood has been championing for years and has been even blocked by the supreme court. But his hands are tied. He is in their pocket. With the laws they want in place a baby could be living on the table and if the mother wants to end its life they will starve it or suffocate it. This is as well as the partial birth abortion laws he would continue to champion. Where a baby can be partly taken from the womb and then have its life taken.
    The bible says that God will judge the shedding of innocent blood. This is the most innocent blood in our land and 4000 a day are being butchered in the name of convenience. It will bring great condemnation on our country if we continue to tolerate it. Obvious exceptions can be made for situations where the mothers life is at risk. But the daily blood letting must stop. I could never in good conscience lend my vote to a man who would vote for abortion. It is murder and no less. The life is the blood. Before we were born we were known.
    If Obama is elected we will see greater tragedy than ever before. The writing is on the wall. This is of greater issue than finances or education. Without Gods blessing we will be invaded and God will let it happen. I pray your readers open their eyes and deny their bellies. Sincerely

  10. So if they are both so great and concerned with our country and will equally be advised by great thinkers than we shouldn’t get to far off track. Especially with congress working on oversite like it oughtta.

    But for me one thing sticks out like a sore thumb and is enough to influence my vote. Obama has pledged to sign into law a piece of legislation Planned Parenthood has been championing for years and has been even blocked by the supreme court. But his hands are tied. He is in their pocket. With the laws they want in place a baby could be living on the table and if the mother wants to end its life they will starve it or suffocate it. This is as well as the partial birth abortion laws he would continue to champion. Where a baby can be partly taken from the womb and then have its life taken.
    The bible says that God will judge the shedding of innocent blood. This is the most innocent blood in our land and 4000 a day are being butchered in the name of convenience. It will bring great condemnation on our country if we continue to tolerate it. Obvious exceptions can be made for situations where the mothers life is at risk. But the daily blood letting must stop. I could never in good conscience lend my vote to a man who would vote for abortion. It is murder and no less. The life is the blood. Before we were born we were known.
    If Obama is elected we will see greater tragedy than ever before. The writing is on the wall. This is of greater issue than finances or education. Without Gods blessing we will be invaded and God will let it happen. I pray your readers open their eyes and deny their bellies. Sincerely

  11. Ok, I got a chuckle out of this one. “As we all know, a President’s term is highly influenced by his advisers. I think Ivy-League educated Professor Obama has the intelligence to put together a great team, and I am confident he will do a good job running this country.”
    What does someone being Ivy league educated have to do with having common sense or being a good judge of character to pick people. Lets look at who he associates with and picks
    Advisors Raines and Johnson same people who got rich of fannie/freddie and ran their companies in the ground and got caught coooking the books.
    Ayers to say he was a confused college kid who got caught up is ridiculous. He was the leader and more importantly it isnt something yrs ago the man made statements as little as 5 or 6 yrs ago that he thinks they didnt go far enough and he would do it again. Let me repeat he said he thought they didnt do enough just 5 or 6 yrs ago and has never ever apologized or said he was wrong. Also, they are not just acquainted which can happen in politics they exchanged emails, phone calls, Ayers held his kick off party at Ayers house now do you think they arent close if the kickoff party is at his house, much less the fact they were on boards together.
    And as far as the pastor this is the man who he said was his spiritual advisor who he knew very well. Not that he attended some sermons here and there. This is the man he said he owes everything to.
    Also, he picks as his VP Choice Biden who represents everything Obama claimed he was going to change. Who had to withdraw from running from president himself because he got caught plagarizing and who has been caught in several outright lies that he has admitted to.
    So if thats the kind of judgement of people and character you get as a Harvard Lawyer no thank you.

  12. Ok, I got a chuckle out of this one. “As we all know, a President’s term is highly influenced by his advisers. I think Ivy-League educated Professor Obama has the intelligence to put together a great team, and I am confident he will do a good job running this country.”
    What does someone being Ivy league educated have to do with having common sense or being a good judge of character to pick people. Lets look at who he associates with and picks
    Advisors Raines and Johnson same people who got rich of fannie/freddie and ran their companies in the ground and got caught coooking the books.
    Ayers to say he was a confused college kid who got caught up is ridiculous. He was the leader and more importantly it isnt something yrs ago the man made statements as little as 5 or 6 yrs ago that he thinks they didnt go far enough and he would do it again. Let me repeat he said he thought they didnt do enough just 5 or 6 yrs ago and has never ever apologized or said he was wrong. Also, they are not just acquainted which can happen in politics they exchanged emails, phone calls, Ayers held his kick off party at Ayers house now do you think they arent close if the kickoff party is at his house, much less the fact they were on boards together.
    And as far as the pastor this is the man who he said was his spiritual advisor who he knew very well. Not that he attended some sermons here and there. This is the man he said he owes everything to.
    Also, he picks as his VP Choice Biden who represents everything Obama claimed he was going to change. Who had to withdraw from running from president himself because he got caught plagarizing and who has been caught in several outright lies that he has admitted to.
    So if thats the kind of judgement of people and character you get as a Harvard Lawyer no thank you.

  13. Wasn’t Bush Ivy League?

  14. Wasn’t Bush Ivy League?

  15. For the last 20 years, the US has had Ivy League Presidents..

    as well as Gore and Kerry have been Ivy Leaguers too..

    talk about more of the same 🙂

    Ayers and his ilk were planning to use a bomb on a USO dance.. when his then (and now late) girlfriend and two others blew themselves up with the bomb they were making..

    He went underground and finally turned himself in.. and was freed on a technicality.. “Guilty as Sin, Free as a bird…” is what he said.

    Also.. “I wish I could have done more.”

    now he’s teaching young minds full of mush what he practiced when he was younger..

    I’m sure your son can get a QUALITY education from the guy..

  16. For the last 20 years, the US has had Ivy League Presidents..

    as well as Gore and Kerry have been Ivy Leaguers too..

    talk about more of the same 🙂

    Ayers and his ilk were planning to use a bomb on a USO dance.. when his then (and now late) girlfriend and two others blew themselves up with the bomb they were making..

    He went underground and finally turned himself in.. and was freed on a technicality.. “Guilty as Sin, Free as a bird…” is what he said.

    Also.. “I wish I could have done more.”

    now he’s teaching young minds full of mush what he practiced when he was younger..

    I’m sure your son can get a QUALITY education from the guy..

  17. From your Other thread:

    “Jesus was a socialist. Jesus advocated taking care of the poor and hungry, helping those in need. It seems to me that of the two parties we have to choose from, the Donkeys are closer to what Jesus asked us to do than are the Elephants.”

    Jesus was NOT a socialist..

    What Jesus did was ask/tell/command that others give out of their own wallet. like the Rich man when asked what he should do to follow Christ. Jesus told him to sell all that he had and give it to the poor. Believers are commanded to Serve and to Give.. which I do gladly.. Time, money..

    What Congress does (both the D’s and the R’s) is TAKE from the rich to pass along to the poor. Without anything coming out of their wallets.

    See the difference?
    One is giving from the heart as a way of celebrating God and worship and following his commandments.

    The other is forced upon you by the point of a gun (by way of laws, imprisonment) so you can ‘give’ your money to the government. That way, $.23 of every dollar spent on welfare goes to the actual poor.

    But don’t you DARE say that my Lord and Savior has the same set of beliefs that Pol Pot, Stalin, and Lenin had..

  18. From your Other thread:

    “Jesus was a socialist. Jesus advocated taking care of the poor and hungry, helping those in need. It seems to me that of the two parties we have to choose from, the Donkeys are closer to what Jesus asked us to do than are the Elephants.”

    Jesus was NOT a socialist..

    What Jesus did was ask/tell/command that others give out of their own wallet. like the Rich man when asked what he should do to follow Christ. Jesus told him to sell all that he had and give it to the poor. Believers are commanded to Serve and to Give.. which I do gladly.. Time, money..

    What Congress does (both the D’s and the R’s) is TAKE from the rich to pass along to the poor. Without anything coming out of their wallets.

    See the difference?
    One is giving from the heart as a way of celebrating God and worship and following his commandments.

    The other is forced upon you by the point of a gun (by way of laws, imprisonment) so you can ‘give’ your money to the government. That way, $.23 of every dollar spent on welfare goes to the actual poor.

    But don’t you DARE say that my Lord and Savior has the same set of beliefs that Pol Pot, Stalin, and Lenin had..

  19. I sent my brother Kevin links to this post and the vp one. Here is his interesting response.
    “First, I think McCain sucks too. But his position on Obama is not a
    solid argument. He points to Obama’s lack of experience by listing
    TITLES he’s had, but not anything that he has accomplished with those
    TITLES. Who cares about whether you graduate from Ivy League or not?
    He graduated from Columbia? Columbia is one of the most anti-American
    colleges around. The positions he’s had have given him opportunity
    change things, and he simply hasn’t. He listed the Senate Committee
    for Foreign relations, which would seem great, except Barack has NEVER
    called it into session. Name anything he accomplished in his 8 years
    in the state senate. 4 years in the US Senate? Again, he’s hasn’t
    done anything. 11 years working for a law firm specializing in civil
    rights litigation and neighborhood economic development? Sounds
    great, but what did he actually do? Qualifications come from actions,
    not titles, that shows who you are. He’s like Hamlet. All words “to
    be or not to be” but cannot decide on an action. One can at least
    look at the record of Palin’s veto’s and decisions and decide one way
    or the other. Knowledge and Experience are two separate things. And
    while he may know more about Foreign Policy than Sarah Palin now, but
    if you look at his early interviews, he didn’t know shit. But even
    assuming he knows more, what the fuck has he ever done with that
    knowledge? No Obama supporter has ever told me one thing that Obama
    has actually DONE. The title of Community Organizer is great, but
    what did he do? An expert on the Constitution? Unless you heard one
    of his lectures, how could you know if he was an authority on the
    subject? His VP couldn’t even get article one of the constitution
    right in the the vp debate. I thought Biden won the debate in the
    minds of people who saw Palin talk like a parrot (which she did and it
    was awful) and Biden seemed to think through his answers. The only
    problem with that is he was factually inaccurate to the point of
    possible pathology. If Palin would have said what Biden said about
    article one of the constitution, she would’ve been released from the
    ticket!!! It doesn’t matter, though. In this age, perception is
    reality. Argumentation is a lost art, and the one last night between
    Obama and McCain was the worst I’ve ever seen. They both made me want
    to puke, and I didn’t even graduate from an Ivy League school.”

  20. I sent my brother Kevin links to this post and the vp one. Here is his interesting response.
    “First, I think McCain sucks too. But his position on Obama is not a
    solid argument. He points to Obama’s lack of experience by listing
    TITLES he’s had, but not anything that he has accomplished with those
    TITLES. Who cares about whether you graduate from Ivy League or not?
    He graduated from Columbia? Columbia is one of the most anti-American
    colleges around. The positions he’s had have given him opportunity
    change things, and he simply hasn’t. He listed the Senate Committee
    for Foreign relations, which would seem great, except Barack has NEVER
    called it into session. Name anything he accomplished in his 8 years
    in the state senate. 4 years in the US Senate? Again, he’s hasn’t
    done anything. 11 years working for a law firm specializing in civil
    rights litigation and neighborhood economic development? Sounds
    great, but what did he actually do? Qualifications come from actions,
    not titles, that shows who you are. He’s like Hamlet. All words “to
    be or not to be” but cannot decide on an action. One can at least
    look at the record of Palin’s veto’s and decisions and decide one way
    or the other. Knowledge and Experience are two separate things. And
    while he may know more about Foreign Policy than Sarah Palin now, but
    if you look at his early interviews, he didn’t know shit. But even
    assuming he knows more, what the fuck has he ever done with that
    knowledge? No Obama supporter has ever told me one thing that Obama
    has actually DONE. The title of Community Organizer is great, but
    what did he do? An expert on the Constitution? Unless you heard one
    of his lectures, how could you know if he was an authority on the
    subject? His VP couldn’t even get article one of the constitution
    right in the the vp debate. I thought Biden won the debate in the
    minds of people who saw Palin talk like a parrot (which she did and it
    was awful) and Biden seemed to think through his answers. The only
    problem with that is he was factually inaccurate to the point of
    possible pathology. If Palin would have said what Biden said about
    article one of the constitution, she would’ve been released from the
    ticket!!! It doesn’t matter, though. In this age, perception is
    reality. Argumentation is a lost art, and the one last night between
    Obama and McCain was the worst I’ve ever seen. They both made me want
    to puke, and I didn’t even graduate from an Ivy League school.”

  21. Wow, Donny, I’m NOT alone in my thinking!!!

    Are YOU listening????

    Community organizer translates into community agitator.

    Yale was Bush’s alma mater.

    Also GW’s personal relationship with God through Jesus Christ is well documented, whereas Nobama has done nothing but mention Jesus’ name and claim to be a Christian.

    McCain refuses to use his spirituality to gain votes, while Nobama uses rhetoric to try and influence the gullible religious right.

  22. Wow, Donny, I’m NOT alone in my thinking!!!

    Are YOU listening????

    Community organizer translates into community agitator.

    Yale was Bush’s alma mater.

    Also GW’s personal relationship with God through Jesus Christ is well documented, whereas Nobama has done nothing but mention Jesus’ name and claim to be a Christian.

    McCain refuses to use his spirituality to gain votes, while Nobama uses rhetoric to try and influence the gullible religious right.

  23. Here’s a good one to consider re. BO’s spiritual qualifications:

  24. Here’s a good one to consider re. BO’s spiritual qualifications:

  25. I would like to add one thing about voting with Bush or against Bush. Everyone is blaming Bush’s policies for whats wrong and that is completely untrue and misguided. Bush’s failure isnt in policy its in not taking action and leading people to change what was going wrong. The legislation that was passed that led to the economic crisis was done under Bill Clinton. Clinton and fellow democrats are who led the push into subprime housing. Clinton himself readily admits this. Clinton also readily admits and there was a link posted before that it was the Democrats who failed to enforce and put in regulations to keep up with those changes. The Democrats are the ones who were in bed with the people running fannie/freddie and the lehman bros out there. It was Barney Franks, Chris Dodd, Barack Obama, Joe Biden and all of them. The only party to bring up legislation to enforce this was the republicans. In fact you can see multiple videos on you tube of the hearing they enforced and when they questioned Raines and called for increased enforcement it was called a witch hunt by those same people i mentioned above. In fact you can hear everyone of them on you tube and what they said. When the vote came out in 06 to regulate them BEFORE THE MARKET TANKED the vote was strictly party lines. Every republican voted for the enforcement every single democrat against it. Now you have Obama come out and say he talked about it in 07. This is after everyone knew the market tanked and there was a problem and he was running for president. Yet he still picks Raines and Johnson as advisors? I will try to post the links but anyone who thinks its Bush’s policies is dead wrong. The only policy Bush has is the war. And that is where in my mind he failed is in not pushing more for economic reforms but they are not his policies in place.

  26. I would like to add one thing about voting with Bush or against Bush. Everyone is blaming Bush’s policies for whats wrong and that is completely untrue and misguided. Bush’s failure isnt in policy its in not taking action and leading people to change what was going wrong. The legislation that was passed that led to the economic crisis was done under Bill Clinton. Clinton and fellow democrats are who led the push into subprime housing. Clinton himself readily admits this. Clinton also readily admits and there was a link posted before that it was the Democrats who failed to enforce and put in regulations to keep up with those changes. The Democrats are the ones who were in bed with the people running fannie/freddie and the lehman bros out there. It was Barney Franks, Chris Dodd, Barack Obama, Joe Biden and all of them. The only party to bring up legislation to enforce this was the republicans. In fact you can see multiple videos on you tube of the hearing they enforced and when they questioned Raines and called for increased enforcement it was called a witch hunt by those same people i mentioned above. In fact you can hear everyone of them on you tube and what they said. When the vote came out in 06 to regulate them BEFORE THE MARKET TANKED the vote was strictly party lines. Every republican voted for the enforcement every single democrat against it. Now you have Obama come out and say he talked about it in 07. This is after everyone knew the market tanked and there was a problem and he was running for president. Yet he still picks Raines and Johnson as advisors? I will try to post the links but anyone who thinks its Bush’s policies is dead wrong. The only policy Bush has is the war. And that is where in my mind he failed is in not pushing more for economic reforms but they are not his policies in place.

  27. “Third, check out this video of House hearings years ago; every Democrat is saying, ‘Problems? Fannie ain’t got no problems.’ Every Republican is saying, ‘This is terrible, and we have to fix it, or we’re headed for disaster.’ This was 4 years ago.” The link he sent to me was this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs

    “Fourth,” he continued, “John McCain sponsored legislation in 2005 and fought for it in 2006 that would have placed regulation in place. Here’s the detail from the non-partisan Gov Track site,” he replied, sending this link.
    These were from your own post Donny how can you look at this evidence and still conclude it was Bush’s policies that got us in this mess.
    How can you look at this and then conclude Obama is truthful in any manor?
    When you look at the campaign donations and that those same leaders then ended up his advisors and not think its i scratch your back you scratch mine?
    Now contrast that with what McCain said in 05/06
    http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/17/mccains-attempt-to-fix-fannie-mae-freddie-mac-in-2005/
    You tell me who understood what was happening and who had it right first.
    I do think your right about Obama understanding things but where you wrong is that he didnt care, he wasnt interested in you, me or american people. He was interested in his own pockets and gains. He is an arrogant selfish self serving person.
    The truth is Biden and Obama give great speaches and they sound great and THEY ARE GREAT AT TELLING YOU WHAT YOU WANT TO HEAR however everything they say is lies. There is evidence upon evidence how can you ignore it.
    Obama: I’m for change but I’ll pick Biden
    Obama: It’s the Republicans fault we need to fix our economy and housing–yet i voted against reform and took money from fannie and my solution is to hire as advisors the same people who frauded you(and yes they cooked the books and knew it they knew they were screwing people)
    Obama: I barely know these people–well except I call them daily and email daily and have parties thrown for me at their house
    Obama: I’m going to give you tax cuts–yet ive never voted for one only to raise taxes
    Obama: I’m going to increase spending by over 100 billion but im not going to raise taxes wink wink
    I honestly dont know why people fall for this. You will be real popular if you go from place to place and group to group and tell people what they want to hear and thats what he does. But he is a liar and none of his actions have ever matched what he is telling you.
    Forget about who is the better speach giver look at their actions, look at who they are associated with like you said since they are important. Do you want Barney Franks, Nancy Pelosi, Chris Dodd, John Kerry, Franklin Raines, etc running the country?
    You had a post about how dumb do the republicans think we are–These people think your dumb they have the nerve to lie to your face, contradict everything they said two years ago and think your not smart enough to figure it out.

  28. “Third, check out this video of House hearings years ago; every Democrat is saying, ‘Problems? Fannie ain’t got no problems.’ Every Republican is saying, ‘This is terrible, and we have to fix it, or we’re headed for disaster.’ This was 4 years ago.” The link he sent to me was this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs

    “Fourth,” he continued, “John McCain sponsored legislation in 2005 and fought for it in 2006 that would have placed regulation in place. Here’s the detail from the non-partisan Gov Track site,” he replied, sending this link.
    These were from your own post Donny how can you look at this evidence and still conclude it was Bush’s policies that got us in this mess.
    How can you look at this and then conclude Obama is truthful in any manor?
    When you look at the campaign donations and that those same leaders then ended up his advisors and not think its i scratch your back you scratch mine?
    Now contrast that with what McCain said in 05/06
    http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/17/mccains-attempt-to-fix-fannie-mae-freddie-mac-in-2005/
    You tell me who understood what was happening and who had it right first.
    I do think your right about Obama understanding things but where you wrong is that he didnt care, he wasnt interested in you, me or american people. He was interested in his own pockets and gains. He is an arrogant selfish self serving person.
    The truth is Biden and Obama give great speaches and they sound great and THEY ARE GREAT AT TELLING YOU WHAT YOU WANT TO HEAR however everything they say is lies. There is evidence upon evidence how can you ignore it.
    Obama: I’m for change but I’ll pick Biden
    Obama: It’s the Republicans fault we need to fix our economy and housing–yet i voted against reform and took money from fannie and my solution is to hire as advisors the same people who frauded you(and yes they cooked the books and knew it they knew they were screwing people)
    Obama: I barely know these people–well except I call them daily and email daily and have parties thrown for me at their house
    Obama: I’m going to give you tax cuts–yet ive never voted for one only to raise taxes
    Obama: I’m going to increase spending by over 100 billion but im not going to raise taxes wink wink
    I honestly dont know why people fall for this. You will be real popular if you go from place to place and group to group and tell people what they want to hear and thats what he does. But he is a liar and none of his actions have ever matched what he is telling you.
    Forget about who is the better speach giver look at their actions, look at who they are associated with like you said since they are important. Do you want Barney Franks, Nancy Pelosi, Chris Dodd, John Kerry, Franklin Raines, etc running the country?
    You had a post about how dumb do the republicans think we are–These people think your dumb they have the nerve to lie to your face, contradict everything they said two years ago and think your not smart enough to figure it out.

  29. i think we should list Mccains qualifications and experience to be fair and then compare the two. and to say that noone is going to overturn roe vs wade…well how do you know that?

    isnt it funny how george w bush went out of his way to get in the judicial appointments that he did get in during his term? and among some of their controversies was the fear of them overturning RvW. dont you remember that at all? and what was the reasoning to even place those judges in the first place? i think they are maybe one judge away from having the majority in the supreme court. and even mccains website declares openly of overturning RvW.

    even the most hated president in a good long while made very large strides in the way of pro-life, way more than obama. obama has not done ANYTHING in the way of pro-life. if he has id like you to show me.i think obama will bring change. what, at the most economically and we just may get out of iraq? but im afraid of the baggage he will ALSO bring in regards to CHANGING OUR CULTURE. hes got too many anti-christian cronies and i dont trust him. he may attempt to make universal health care available to everyone but he we also make strides to make gay marriage universal to everyone as well. he isnt pro-life, so all of the pro-life work that people did before obama will be under threat. think about the judicial appointments that obama would put in. think of of the people who may get fired that dont fit HIS agenda. and whether we like it or not, we are already in iraq. if obamas advisors and the military high-command feel that its more of a threat to leave iraq in an 18 month time frame, do you think obama will still carry it out? john mccain talks to those people, john mccain HAS military experience.

    i just dont know, but i was more persuaded by mccain in that debate. he was more fiery and made alot of serious allegations that went unanswered by obama. obama just sat there and smiled. but almost EVERY allegation obama made against mccain, mccain answered on the spot.

    i just dont know. we just have got to be prepared for the baggage that obama may bring if elected. there will be change alright, but maybe more than we bargained for. i dont think im ready to put all of my chips in with obama.

  30. i think we should list Mccains qualifications and experience to be fair and then compare the two. and to say that noone is going to overturn roe vs wade…well how do you know that?

    isnt it funny how george w bush went out of his way to get in the judicial appointments that he did get in during his term? and among some of their controversies was the fear of them overturning RvW. dont you remember that at all? and what was the reasoning to even place those judges in the first place? i think they are maybe one judge away from having the majority in the supreme court. and even mccains website declares openly of overturning RvW.

    even the most hated president in a good long while made very large strides in the way of pro-life, way more than obama. obama has not done ANYTHING in the way of pro-life. if he has id like you to show me.i think obama will bring change. what, at the most economically and we just may get out of iraq? but im afraid of the baggage he will ALSO bring in regards to CHANGING OUR CULTURE. hes got too many anti-christian cronies and i dont trust him. he may attempt to make universal health care available to everyone but he we also make strides to make gay marriage universal to everyone as well. he isnt pro-life, so all of the pro-life work that people did before obama will be under threat. think about the judicial appointments that obama would put in. think of of the people who may get fired that dont fit HIS agenda. and whether we like it or not, we are already in iraq. if obamas advisors and the military high-command feel that its more of a threat to leave iraq in an 18 month time frame, do you think obama will still carry it out? john mccain talks to those people, john mccain HAS military experience.

    i just dont know, but i was more persuaded by mccain in that debate. he was more fiery and made alot of serious allegations that went unanswered by obama. obama just sat there and smiled. but almost EVERY allegation obama made against mccain, mccain answered on the spot.

    i just dont know. we just have got to be prepared for the baggage that obama may bring if elected. there will be change alright, but maybe more than we bargained for. i dont think im ready to put all of my chips in with obama.

  31. John: You really DO know, don’t you?

  32. John: You really DO know, don’t you?

  33. I have sat under many pastors in my lifetime and have never heard one of them pronounce damnation upon our country for our sin as has Jeremiah Wright, Nobama’s pastor. Instead, we heard II Chronicles 7:14: “If..my people who are called by My name humble themselves and pray and seek My face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.” We were also encouraged to PRAY for our country, its leaders, and repentance for ourselves.

    Even you, Donny, as would most Christians be greatly shocked if Dr. James Dobson were to spout off like pastor Wright!

    God Help Us!

  34. I have sat under many pastors in my lifetime and have never heard one of them pronounce damnation upon our country for our sin as has Jeremiah Wright, Nobama’s pastor. Instead, we heard II Chronicles 7:14: “If..my people who are called by My name humble themselves and pray and seek My face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.” We were also encouraged to PRAY for our country, its leaders, and repentance for ourselves.

    Even you, Donny, as would most Christians be greatly shocked if Dr. James Dobson were to spout off like pastor Wright!

    God Help Us!

  35. http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=OTBhNTlmNTRhZjYyYjBlZjQ1YTFmNDUyZjYyZjFmZjc=

    And

    http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/194370.php

    A little reading on Bill Ayers..

    you are known by your friends, Donny..

    but you can go ahead and vote for Obama wearing your ear plugs and blindfold..

    Also.. you seem ignorant on ‘Community Organizing’..
    Try Shake down artist.. (Ignorant not in the bad way.. but highly uninformed.. )

    BTW, Barack has yet to release any of his medical records, university records or cases he worked on as a civil rights lawyer.. all there is his campaign’s word that it’s there.

  36. http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=OTBhNTlmNTRhZjYyYjBlZjQ1YTFmNDUyZjYyZjFmZjc=

    And

    http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/194370.php

    A little reading on Bill Ayers..

    you are known by your friends, Donny..

    but you can go ahead and vote for Obama wearing your ear plugs and blindfold..

    Also.. you seem ignorant on ‘Community Organizing’..
    Try Shake down artist.. (Ignorant not in the bad way.. but highly uninformed.. )

    BTW, Barack has yet to release any of his medical records, university records or cases he worked on as a civil rights lawyer.. all there is his campaign’s word that it’s there.

  37. Occidental College records — Not released
    Columbia College records — Not released
    Columbia Thesis paper — “not available”
    Harvard College records — Not released
    Selective Service Registration — Not released
    Medical records — Not released
    Illinois State Senate schedule — “not available”
    Law practice client list — Not released
    Harvard Law Review articles published — None
    University of Chicago scholarly articles — None
    Illinois State Senate records–“not available”

  38. Occidental College records — Not released
    Columbia College records — Not released
    Columbia Thesis paper — “not available”
    Harvard College records — Not released
    Selective Service Registration — Not released
    Medical records — Not released
    Illinois State Senate schedule — “not available”
    Law practice client list — Not released
    Harvard Law Review articles published — None
    University of Chicago scholarly articles — None
    Illinois State Senate records–“not available”

  39. From my original post:

    The point is that there is always mud to sling. It’s hypocritical to justify slinging it at one candidate, yet not being willing to look at the other with the same level of “objectivity”, don’t you think? I think it’s absurd to justify one candidate’s shortcomings yet trumpet accusations against the other. If yer gonna sling it, cover both sides with an equal amount of dirt.

    The comments being posted are great examples of exactly what I was saying, aren’t they?

    Please go dig dirt on McCain and post it here. Be just as brutal on him. Then I’ll have much more respect for the criticisms being leveled at Obama.

    Dr. Dobson, at one point, would not endorse McCain. He did so only after Palin was added to the ticket. Why was that? Go dig into him and share the dirt on both sides. You can do it. I know you can.

    See, what’s happening here brings to my mind all past elections sitting in conservative churches: the Democratic candidate is the devil, and the Republican candidate is our only hope as a country. I want to hear a person being just as vicious with both sides, and then I’ll open my mind to what they have to say. One – sided attack fests just make me put up a wall and stop listening.

    Is it too much to ask for some objectivity and comparing of apples to apples? If you compare the worst of McCain to the worst of Obama my ears will perk up.

  40. From my original post:

    The point is that there is always mud to sling. It’s hypocritical to justify slinging it at one candidate, yet not being willing to look at the other with the same level of “objectivity”, don’t you think? I think it’s absurd to justify one candidate’s shortcomings yet trumpet accusations against the other. If yer gonna sling it, cover both sides with an equal amount of dirt.

    The comments being posted are great examples of exactly what I was saying, aren’t they?

    Please go dig dirt on McCain and post it here. Be just as brutal on him. Then I’ll have much more respect for the criticisms being leveled at Obama.

    Dr. Dobson, at one point, would not endorse McCain. He did so only after Palin was added to the ticket. Why was that? Go dig into him and share the dirt on both sides. You can do it. I know you can.

    See, what’s happening here brings to my mind all past elections sitting in conservative churches: the Democratic candidate is the devil, and the Republican candidate is our only hope as a country. I want to hear a person being just as vicious with both sides, and then I’ll open my mind to what they have to say. One – sided attack fests just make me put up a wall and stop listening.

    Is it too much to ask for some objectivity and comparing of apples to apples? If you compare the worst of McCain to the worst of Obama my ears will perk up.

  41. Also,

    When leveling accusations, a source would be nice.

  42. Also,

    When leveling accusations, a source would be nice.

  43. Here is a man that can think it through about the election coming up…

    something to make you think..

  44. Here is a man that can think it through about the election coming up…

    something to make you think..

  45. Zeroing in on a man’s character is NOT mud slinging, Donny. Acknowledging his associations is NOT mud slinging. Stating his obvious socialistic/progressive mindset is NOT mud slinging. Talking about his history, records or background is NOT mud slinging.

    Bringing up past divorce (long settled with complete agreement between the parties), charges that were found faulty (lies!), and insinuations, half truths, and lies ARE mud slinging.

  46. Zeroing in on a man’s character is NOT mud slinging, Donny. Acknowledging his associations is NOT mud slinging. Stating his obvious socialistic/progressive mindset is NOT mud slinging. Talking about his history, records or background is NOT mud slinging.

    Bringing up past divorce (long settled with complete agreement between the parties), charges that were found faulty (lies!), and insinuations, half truths, and lies ARE mud slinging.

  47. Dear Donny,
    After several weeks finally took a moment at myspace and caught some things here. Loved your MaryKay pic, reminded me of BoyGeorge. Anyway, could be mistaken but recalling your complaint about conservative judges being responsible for RoeVWade – whether they were truly conservative or whether they understood what they were judging, i can’t say, but I do know, that after that incident, the conservative movement, aka Moral Majority, etc.groups rose up to deal with what they believed was the inaction of the church and/or their lack of being informed when legislation, etc. would be going on that would affect their values. Such as the attempt by the left to pass the “Fairness Doctrine” through congress that would essentially shut up the conservative voice on air, or to make it illegal for ministers to preach against alternative lifestyles in church.
    But to comment on Obama and Ayers, I heard in the last few days, if true and not reported by mainstream media, is that just 2 years ago, Ayers was with Chavez in Venz. promoting educational reforms, as Ayers and Obama’s Acorn group did in Chicago, promoting under the guise of educational reform, socialistic, as in socialism, reforms, and that at the beginning of Obama’s efforts to reach where he is now, a substantial amount of money (don’t remember how much) was put up by Ayers for Obama back in 95. However, any references to such, it appears, as with his pastor, that Obama distances himself, at least in the public view from anyone that may make him look bad, as Jeremiah Wright said, for “political convenience”. Wright also is completely correct about God allowing us to be hit, as per similar reflection on Israel in scripture. Israel would be harrassed by nations trying to take what God had given to them, but would not prevail, however, when it came to when their enemy’s did prevail, and that happened far more often, it was when Israel was backslidden. America is backslidden. Not because of racism, not because of us being in other countries and for rogue forces or persons attacking others, etc. or for what we’ve done to the American Indian, etc. as Wright says…those are all symptoms of a worse problem. We are backslidden. Becasuse we are, we have racism, we have corruption, etc. Not the other way around. If we were right, we’d love our neighbors, we’d weed out corruption,etc.
    Anyway, don’t know if any of this has been voiced, but it’s been on my mind.
    I don’t like McCaine, but at least I know where he really stands, even if it is all over the place, but it’s not incognito.
    As for Palin, I don’t know about anyone else, but most women I know, when things get tough on so many levels, more so than men, they have carried the day with their families, their issues, their men, their kids,etc. whether they were qualified or not…just because it had to get done.
    think it is wrong for people not to vote for Obama just because he’s black, but just as sure, I think it is wrong to vote for just because he’s black as some were going to vote for Hillary just becuase she’s a women…oh but only because she’s liberal, becuase they aren’t necessarily embracing Palin either, because she doesn’t share their views.
    Anyway, they’re going to close up lab so I have to run.
    God bless…still thinking about it all.
    I

  48. Dear Donny,
    After several weeks finally took a moment at myspace and caught some things here. Loved your MaryKay pic, reminded me of BoyGeorge. Anyway, could be mistaken but recalling your complaint about conservative judges being responsible for RoeVWade – whether they were truly conservative or whether they understood what they were judging, i can’t say, but I do know, that after that incident, the conservative movement, aka Moral Majority, etc.groups rose up to deal with what they believed was the inaction of the church and/or their lack of being informed when legislation, etc. would be going on that would affect their values. Such as the attempt by the left to pass the “Fairness Doctrine” through congress that would essentially shut up the conservative voice on air, or to make it illegal for ministers to preach against alternative lifestyles in church.
    But to comment on Obama and Ayers, I heard in the last few days, if true and not reported by mainstream media, is that just 2 years ago, Ayers was with Chavez in Venz. promoting educational reforms, as Ayers and Obama’s Acorn group did in Chicago, promoting under the guise of educational reform, socialistic, as in socialism, reforms, and that at the beginning of Obama’s efforts to reach where he is now, a substantial amount of money (don’t remember how much) was put up by Ayers for Obama back in 95. However, any references to such, it appears, as with his pastor, that Obama distances himself, at least in the public view from anyone that may make him look bad, as Jeremiah Wright said, for “political convenience”. Wright also is completely correct about God allowing us to be hit, as per similar reflection on Israel in scripture. Israel would be harrassed by nations trying to take what God had given to them, but would not prevail, however, when it came to when their enemy’s did prevail, and that happened far more often, it was when Israel was backslidden. America is backslidden. Not because of racism, not because of us being in other countries and for rogue forces or persons attacking others, etc. or for what we’ve done to the American Indian, etc. as Wright says…those are all symptoms of a worse problem. We are backslidden. Becasuse we are, we have racism, we have corruption, etc. Not the other way around. If we were right, we’d love our neighbors, we’d weed out corruption,etc.
    Anyway, don’t know if any of this has been voiced, but it’s been on my mind.
    I don’t like McCaine, but at least I know where he really stands, even if it is all over the place, but it’s not incognito.
    As for Palin, I don’t know about anyone else, but most women I know, when things get tough on so many levels, more so than men, they have carried the day with their families, their issues, their men, their kids,etc. whether they were qualified or not…just because it had to get done.
    think it is wrong for people not to vote for Obama just because he’s black, but just as sure, I think it is wrong to vote for just because he’s black as some were going to vote for Hillary just becuase she’s a women…oh but only because she’s liberal, becuase they aren’t necessarily embracing Palin either, because she doesn’t share their views.
    Anyway, they’re going to close up lab so I have to run.
    God bless…still thinking about it all.
    I

  49. Donny,

    You’re in a debate (for lack of a better term) with some people here who are either voting FOR McCain or voting AGAINST Obama.

    In a debate, as I understand it anyway, each side brings their evidence to support their cause, whether that evidence be FOR their cause or AGAINST the opposing cause. How can you POSSIBLY ask the “opposing side” to debate against themselves? That’s YOUR “job.”

    I do think the McCain supporters here could present more evidence about McCain’s positives rather than all negatives about Obama though.

    God bless you Donny. Pray for this election, ask God what He thinks then vote how you think you should.

  50. Donny,

    You’re in a debate (for lack of a better term) with some people here who are either voting FOR McCain or voting AGAINST Obama.

    In a debate, as I understand it anyway, each side brings their evidence to support their cause, whether that evidence be FOR their cause or AGAINST the opposing cause. How can you POSSIBLY ask the “opposing side” to debate against themselves? That’s YOUR “job.”

    I do think the McCain supporters here could present more evidence about McCain’s positives rather than all negatives about Obama though.

    God bless you Donny. Pray for this election, ask God what He thinks then vote how you think you should.

  51. It’s been said a MILLION times: Check out the political/historical records (IF you can actually see them) of both these men and compare what they’ve offered and accomplished in our country in and out of the Senate. Actiions are far better than words; and some actions are darn scary!

  52. It’s been said a MILLION times: Check out the political/historical records (IF you can actually see them) of both these men and compare what they’ve offered and accomplished in our country in and out of the Senate. Actiions are far better than words; and some actions are darn scary!

  53. Everybody is saying it’s Bush policy for this meltdown. Who really got the deregulation of Fannie Mae smoothed out? Seems that Barney Frank, the known but not prosecuted associate of that underage boy prostitution ring, was boinking a Fannie Mae exec.
    Now that Fannie Mae is at the epicenter of a financial meltdown that threatens the U.S. economy, some are raising new questions about Frank’s relationship with Herb Moses, who was Fannie’s assistant director for product initiatives. Moses worked at the government-sponsored enterprise from 1991 to 1998, while Frank was on the House Banking Committee, which had jurisdiction over Fannie.
    the link to the rest of the info
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,432501,00.html

  54. Everybody is saying it’s Bush policy for this meltdown. Who really got the deregulation of Fannie Mae smoothed out? Seems that Barney Frank, the known but not prosecuted associate of that underage boy prostitution ring, was boinking a Fannie Mae exec.
    Now that Fannie Mae is at the epicenter of a financial meltdown that threatens the U.S. economy, some are raising new questions about Frank’s relationship with Herb Moses, who was Fannie’s assistant director for product initiatives. Moses worked at the government-sponsored enterprise from 1991 to 1998, while Frank was on the House Banking Committee, which had jurisdiction over Fannie.
    the link to the rest of the info
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,432501,00.html

  55. A few more emails from my brother in regards to this blog. I told him he should just register and blog here.
    The stats are skewed, to say the least. First, Bush doesn’t have
    voting powers in the senate….hmmmm…Just a little fyi. But even
    using the data that Obama uses from CQ, it turns out Obama himself
    voted with Bush 40% of the time and Biden 52%. Does that mean that
    Obama is saying he was wrong 40% of the time? He said that McCain
    only had a 10% chance of being right…wait it doesn’t add
    up…perhaps he needs to take a math course. He’s either stupid with
    math or he’s being disingenuous. I happen to think he’s pretty damn
    smart, so I vote for the latter. Of course, it’s a fun stat to rattle
    off, but seriously, what were Bush’s bills? I’ll lay a month of your
    money that nobody knows offhand. I hope it wasn’t funding for the
    troops, because it’s better to not vote for something Bush supports
    because he’s evil, than to support our troops… They still both
    suck, and at this point, I can’t vote for either one. Where’s Perot
    when you need him?

    I don’t think we bother to look anything up that we want to agree with.

    http://politicallydrunk.blogspot.com/2008/09/mccain-voted-with-bush-90-uh-95-of-time.html

    http://www.kansascity.com/273/story/818085.html

    http://blog1.thejtandbearshow.com/2008/09/15/mccain-voted-with-bush-90-of-the-time-22-of-the-time.aspx

    Here’s a beginning to a personal McCain bash. Why not start with the
    issue close to most christians. Abortion. This took place in a
    presidential primary debate in 2000, I still remember it. Alan Keyes,
    wrong an awful lot, but a very good debater, destroyed McCain on the
    pro life issue. While McCain may be pro-life, he’s definitely not the
    quintessential pro-life candidate.

    Here’s just a few loads of dirty laundry on the subject.

    Debate in 2000

    KEYES [to McCain]: What you would say if your daughter was ever in a
    position where she might need an abortion? You answered [earlier
    today] that the choice would be up to her and then that you’d have a
    family conference. That displayed a profound lack of understanding of
    the basic issue of principle involved in abortion. After all, if your
    daughter said she was contemplating killing her grandmother for the
    inheritance, you wouldn’t say, “Let’s have a family conference.” You’d
    look at her and say “Just Say No,” because that is morally wrong. It
    is God’s choice that that child is in the womb. And for us to usurp
    that choice in contradiction of our declaration of principles is just
    as wrong.

    MSNBC interview in 2007

    Q: Would you expand federal funding of embryonic stem cell research?

    A: I believe that we need to fund this. This is a tough issue for
    those of us in the pro-life community. I would remind you that these
    stem cells are either going to be discarded or perpetually frozen. We
    need to do what we can to relieve human suffering. It’s a tough issue.
    I support federal funding.

    And while on his website, he now supports overturning Roe V Wade, that
    was not always his position. in 1999 he said,
    “I’d love to see a point where Roe vs. Wade is irrelevant, and could
    be repealed because abortion is no longer necessary. But certainly in
    the short term, or even the long term, I would not support repeal of
    Roe vs. Wade, which would then force women in America to [undergo]
    illegal and dangerous operations.” A spokesman said that McCain “has a
    17-year voting record of supporting efforts to overturn Roe vs. Wade.
    He does that currently, and will continue to do that as president.”

    Obviously, McCain is not the strongest advocate for Pro-Life.

    This is only the tip of the huge shitty iceberg of the problems with
    John McCain.

  56. A few more emails from my brother in regards to this blog. I told him he should just register and blog here.
    The stats are skewed, to say the least. First, Bush doesn’t have
    voting powers in the senate….hmmmm…Just a little fyi. But even
    using the data that Obama uses from CQ, it turns out Obama himself
    voted with Bush 40% of the time and Biden 52%. Does that mean that
    Obama is saying he was wrong 40% of the time? He said that McCain
    only had a 10% chance of being right…wait it doesn’t add
    up…perhaps he needs to take a math course. He’s either stupid with
    math or he’s being disingenuous. I happen to think he’s pretty damn
    smart, so I vote for the latter. Of course, it’s a fun stat to rattle
    off, but seriously, what were Bush’s bills? I’ll lay a month of your
    money that nobody knows offhand. I hope it wasn’t funding for the
    troops, because it’s better to not vote for something Bush supports
    because he’s evil, than to support our troops… They still both
    suck, and at this point, I can’t vote for either one. Where’s Perot
    when you need him?

    I don’t think we bother to look anything up that we want to agree with.

    http://politicallydrunk.blogspot.com/2008/09/mccain-voted-with-bush-90-uh-95-of-time.html

    http://www.kansascity.com/273/story/818085.html

    http://blog1.thejtandbearshow.com/2008/09/15/mccain-voted-with-bush-90-of-the-time-22-of-the-time.aspx

    Here’s a beginning to a personal McCain bash. Why not start with the
    issue close to most christians. Abortion. This took place in a
    presidential primary debate in 2000, I still remember it. Alan Keyes,
    wrong an awful lot, but a very good debater, destroyed McCain on the
    pro life issue. While McCain may be pro-life, he’s definitely not the
    quintessential pro-life candidate.

    Here’s just a few loads of dirty laundry on the subject.

    Debate in 2000

    KEYES [to McCain]: What you would say if your daughter was ever in a
    position where she might need an abortion? You answered [earlier
    today] that the choice would be up to her and then that you’d have a
    family conference. That displayed a profound lack of understanding of
    the basic issue of principle involved in abortion. After all, if your
    daughter said she was contemplating killing her grandmother for the
    inheritance, you wouldn’t say, “Let’s have a family conference.” You’d
    look at her and say “Just Say No,” because that is morally wrong. It
    is God’s choice that that child is in the womb. And for us to usurp
    that choice in contradiction of our declaration of principles is just
    as wrong.

    MSNBC interview in 2007

    Q: Would you expand federal funding of embryonic stem cell research?

    A: I believe that we need to fund this. This is a tough issue for
    those of us in the pro-life community. I would remind you that these
    stem cells are either going to be discarded or perpetually frozen. We
    need to do what we can to relieve human suffering. It’s a tough issue.
    I support federal funding.

    And while on his website, he now supports overturning Roe V Wade, that
    was not always his position. in 1999 he said,
    “I’d love to see a point where Roe vs. Wade is irrelevant, and could
    be repealed because abortion is no longer necessary. But certainly in
    the short term, or even the long term, I would not support repeal of
    Roe vs. Wade, which would then force women in America to [undergo]
    illegal and dangerous operations.” A spokesman said that McCain “has a
    17-year voting record of supporting efforts to overturn Roe vs. Wade.
    He does that currently, and will continue to do that as president.”

    Obviously, McCain is not the strongest advocate for Pro-Life.

    This is only the tip of the huge shitty iceberg of the problems with
    John McCain.

  57. Here is some hard evidence of the warnings Bush and McCain sent about Fannie Mae. The Dems opposed strongly. Obama is a hardline Democrat. Pelosi insanely pointed a finger at bush for the meltdown, but it all started with the housing market with Barney Frank leading the charge.
    http://americanelephant.wordpress.com/2008/09/27/timeline-shows-bush-mccain-republicans-warning-democrats-of-financial-crisis/

  58. Here is some hard evidence of the warnings Bush and McCain sent about Fannie Mae. The Dems opposed strongly. Obama is a hardline Democrat. Pelosi insanely pointed a finger at bush for the meltdown, but it all started with the housing market with Barney Frank leading the charge.
    http://americanelephant.wordpress.com/2008/09/27/timeline-shows-bush-mccain-republicans-warning-democrats-of-financial-crisis/

  59. The user deleted this comment.

  60. Speaking of Barack Obama:

    Barack Obama is a racial-minority individual, and in his heart and mind he inevitably does not endorse hate crimes committed by George W. Bush.

    George W. Bush committed hate crimes of epic proportions and with the stench of terrorism (indicated in my blog).

    George W. Bush did in fact commit innumerable hate crimes.

    And I do solemnly swear by Almighty God that George W. Bush committed other hate crimes of epic proportions and with the stench of terrorism which I am not at liberty to mention.

    Many people know what Bush did.

    And many people will know what Bush did—even to the end of the world.

    Bush was absolute evil.

    Bush is now like a fugitive from justice.

    Bush is a psychological prisoner.

    Bush has a lot to worry about.

    Bush can technically be prosecuted for hate crimes at any time.

    In any case, Bush will go down in history in infamy.

    Submitted by Andrew Yu-Jen Wang
    B.S., Summa Cum Laude, 1996
    Messiah College, Grantham, PA
    Lower Merion High School, Ardmore, PA, 1993

    “GEORGE W. BUSH IS THE WORST PRESIDENT IN U.S. HISTORY” BLOG OF ANDREW YU-JEN WANG
    ______________________
    I am not sure where I had read it before, but anyway, it is a linguistically excellent statement, and it goes kind of like this: “If only it were possible to ban invention that bottled up memories so they never got stale and faded.” Oh wait—off the top of my head—I think the quotation came from my Lower Merion High School yearbook.

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